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the only time that we heard of it was when it came back to the land use committee. when we objected to the area, they passed it on anyway as they have always done with those of us who live and breathe in bayview hunter's point. i would like to say there was an eir done, it was done by the health department and i disagree with what they presented to the staff here because of the fact when the eir was done, it was not done on the sight of 5433rd street, it was done a block away. i had three deaths in my family within the last two weeks from cancer, a young lady, 30 years of age died from asthma, as you know in my community, it's the worst in the city, in the united states of my people dying, the community have changed and i don't know what happened. i used to be able to receive -- when you have in your meetings, agendas, i'm still alive, in fact, i would like to say this, i wish that you bring this back to the floor dealing with the discretionary review, you're going to have other people talking about what's happening. my daughter sent you all an invitation next week,
the only time that we heard of it was when it came back to the land use committee. when we objected to the area, they passed it on anyway as they have always done with those of us who live and breathe in bayview hunter's point. i would like to say there was an eir done, it was done by the health department and i disagree with what they presented to the staff here because of the fact when the eir was done, it was not done on the sight of 5433rd street, it was done a block away. i had three...
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individualized, i think has a lot of promise, but me *f my question is is this going to come before us for some kind of discussion in the future? >> commissioner, i believe that legislation was already introduced and it has already been one hearing on it, i don't know the schedule at this point, the hearing was continued and i don't have the dates, ann marie is out today, she had a death in the family so i can check with the other legislative staff with that but i don't know the date of continuance, we can check with the supervisor's office on the schedule and we can figure out if there's time. >> it would be nice to have time to have a discussion to entertain public comment and the input from the other commissioners on this issue which i think is an important one. thank you. >> commissioner borden? >> hi, i happen to go by two interesting events, one of which was sf hon dough at the corner of innis had a reopening event, it was a family that had that facility for more than 40 years, so they modernized it and hon dough is making a great investment of them being an anchor and them stayi
individualized, i think has a lot of promise, but me *f my question is is this going to come before us for some kind of discussion in the future? >> commissioner, i believe that legislation was already introduced and it has already been one hearing on it, i don't know the schedule at this point, the hearing was continued and i don't have the dates, ann marie is out today, she had a death in the family so i can check with the other legislative staff with that but i don't know the date of...
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we can't say you can't use blue, you can't use your logo or your name, of course, but we can work with them to reduce the lighting level so that it's not a garish frankly in the short run. in the longer run, i think it requires some code legislation to put limits. >> i'm supportive of the business and the financial services that chase offers. i wouldn't be opposed to -- i know there is a motion to approve, but i wouldn't be opposed to continuing the item until this can be discussed further about the lighting volume and wattage and intensity of businesses going forward. commissioner moore. >> i would agree with that because if the department is tasked to undertake a study, then any legislation which might go out of it would then be retroactive because the rapid increase in these signs is starting to be annoying, particularly in the areas where you have mixed use and at night the blue light starts to affect people in their units. there have been no complaints, but what i saw walking down grand street made me greatly concerned that later it will affect people at night because of the [spea
we can't say you can't use blue, you can't use your logo or your name, of course, but we can work with them to reduce the lighting level so that it's not a garish frankly in the short run. in the longer run, i think it requires some code legislation to put limits. >> i'm supportive of the business and the financial services that chase offers. i wouldn't be opposed to -- i know there is a motion to approve, but i wouldn't be opposed to continuing the item until this can be discussed...
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seeing no objection that will be the order i don't madame are there any other items before us? >>> no, there are not. >> then we are adjourned. thank you. welcome do san franci plankings commission regular meeting for thursday january 31, 2013. please be aware that the commission does not tolerate any disruption or out bursts of any kind, silence any mobile devices that may sound off during the proceedings. if you would like to speak on an general deed item, please fill out a speaker's card and speak directly into the microphone and please state your name for the record. commissioner president fong. commissioner antonini. >> commissioner wu? commissioner burden, commissioner hillis, moore and sugaya? >> commissioners first on your calendar are items proposed for continuance. i only have one item number 8 under your director's report, the planning commission policy on impinging product implementation is proposed for continuance to february 28, 2013. >> i have no speaker cards. >> did you want to make a comment to that at all? >> yeah, just that we would like a little more time t
seeing no objection that will be the order i don't madame are there any other items before us? >>> no, there are not. >> then we are adjourned. thank you. welcome do san franci plankings commission regular meeting for thursday january 31, 2013. please be aware that the commission does not tolerate any disruption or out bursts of any kind, silence any mobile devices that may sound off during the proceedings. if you would like to speak on an general deed item, please fill out a...
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. * so, you have a use of colors, a use of different materials, some being more glassy, some being a more punched dynamic. and with that you get a sense, even though there is a pattern to the site, they each have their own character ask identity. and i'll just take you around as we rotate around the building site south. that was the east. this is now the southeast looking up from one of the park locations across the street just south of the medical center. * rotating around to the southwest from 2 80. around to the west elevation. we're showing the freeway transparent here. freeway actually isn't. all the things below that will be hidden from view, but we know there had been discussion in the past the fact that might change. we've been equally thoughtful about the west elevation that would have a good he is theyth if i can that were to ever occur. and then at the northwest corner coming in along 16th street. and finally the northeast vantage. i kept it brief because i know you have a complete package. i want to say it's been a real pleasure working with the planning staff. where we s
. * so, you have a use of colors, a use of different materials, some being more glassy, some being a more punched dynamic. and with that you get a sense, even though there is a pattern to the site, they each have their own character ask identity. and i'll just take you around as we rotate around the building site south. that was the east. this is now the southeast looking up from one of the park locations across the street just south of the medical center. * rotating around to the southwest...
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i think because he is used to staff the committee. but, i think that the intent was for the funds, which do not replicate themselves. i mean, i forget the original amount, mr. hillis, around $2 million? >> $2.5 million. >> yes. and then each time there is a grant allocation, then it gets depleted. so i think that we have to treat that some what as a priority for the community to be able to apply for funding. and that is not to say that they are not worthy city projects too. but i just want to comment on the 250. it seems aufully large to me. having dealt with design guidelines in the past and especially with respect to historic areas. and i don't want to get into a debate about it. but i would ask the department to take a more serious look at what the ultimate cost will be. >> it is likely that some level of environmental review will be necessary, and if it is an nir it has to be more than that, but i am hopefully we will able to do it within that. >> there was one other question that a member of the public posed to me and that was ap
i think because he is used to staff the committee. but, i think that the intent was for the funds, which do not replicate themselves. i mean, i forget the original amount, mr. hillis, around $2 million? >> $2.5 million. >> yes. and then each time there is a grant allocation, then it gets depleted. so i think that we have to treat that some what as a priority for the community to be able to apply for funding. and that is not to say that they are not worthy city projects too. but i...
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to medical service use on the first floor provided no residential use or active street frontage use is loss lofted. we do have support for the legislation. charlie ferguson, member of the san board announced they approved it on february 11th. the small business commission voted 7 to 0 recommending it. and lastly, would just really like to thank planning staff, [speaker not understood] for all their help and attention to this issue. i'm available for questions. >> thank you. >> thank you, commissioners. stephanie gave a thorough explanation about the history of this legislation. so, i have a few remarks. basically, this legislation is very simple. it would be amending the planning code for this particular neighborhood commercial district to allow a use under certain circumstances, which is currently prohibited. as you've heard, the intent of the controls when this neighborhood commercial district was originally set up was in part to deal with a concern about expanding office-type uses and including medical service office type uses. what we think has been drafted here is a very narrow
to medical service use on the first floor provided no residential use or active street frontage use is loss lofted. we do have support for the legislation. charlie ferguson, member of the san board announced they approved it on february 11th. the small business commission voted 7 to 0 recommending it. and lastly, would just really like to thank planning staff, [speaker not understood] for all their help and attention to this issue. i'm available for questions. >> thank you. >> thank...
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in terms of why we use conditional use necessary or desirable, you know, we had a special use district for booker t. washington, for higher height district. we decided it was necessary and desirable for the type of housing community it was providing. we also approved that sud prior to the board of supervisors taking action on it. so, it's not as if this is unusual situation. i would say that the completion of this project is necessary and desirable for the city and we've already invested the funds. commissioner sugaya brought up a good point. one of the shortcomings of this project all along was that it didn't extend all the way to fisherman's wharf. if we had the opportunity, the boring machines in north beach and set up at least a north beach station and poe lebanontionv any in the future be able to explore a fisherman's wharf station, it makes a lot of sense to me that we would want to make that preference. the other thing i wanted to point out is that in terms of the sud we've discussed, it has an expiration date on it. this is not an incident sud. so, it's not like other sud's we
in terms of why we use conditional use necessary or desirable, you know, we had a special use district for booker t. washington, for higher height district. we decided it was necessary and desirable for the type of housing community it was providing. we also approved that sud prior to the board of supervisors taking action on it. so, it's not as if this is unusual situation. i would say that the completion of this project is necessary and desirable for the city and we've already invested the...
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and residential use alt the 1 henry adams site, they would be 68 feet tall, the eastern most portion would be a partial fulfillment of the inclusionary housing requirements. up to 150 units of affordable housing would be constructed on that portion of the 801 brannan site, there are three project variance proposed, variant 1 would include new construction of two mixed use and retail building on the 801 brannan site which variance 3 would also include two buildings on the 801 brannan site, but variance 1 and 2 would not change development on the 1 henry adams site from what is proposed on the project but would not include land dedication to the city. total development would include 1 million 187 thousand 943 gross square feet with up to 824 residential units, approximately 54 thousand 600 retail space and 866 parking spaces, since publication of the draft eir, variance three is the proposed project, a copy of the draft eir certification motion is before you, the public hearing on the draft eir was held on july 28, 2011. the public comment period closed. it was published and distribute
and residential use alt the 1 henry adams site, they would be 68 feet tall, the eastern most portion would be a partial fulfillment of the inclusionary housing requirements. up to 150 units of affordable housing would be constructed on that portion of the 801 brannan site, there are three project variance proposed, variant 1 would include new construction of two mixed use and retail building on the 801 brannan site which variance 3 would also include two buildings on the 801 brannan site, but...
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specifically the departments are asked to report on the rationale for using this revenue for uses other than satisfying the transportation related needs on and around octavia boulevard as well as resolutions for meeting both the area's significant transit needs as well as affordable houseving needs. another hearing request by supervisor scott wiener and david chiu was introduced at the board requesting the mta, the department of public works, the planning department and the san francisco county transit authority to provide an update on the better market street project including schedule and progress on improving enter agency coordination and the proposal to construct the separated bike lane on mission street. * both hearings are tentatively scheduled for march 11, 2013. and that's pretty much all. if you have any questions, i'd be happy to answer. thanks. >> doesn't appear to be any questions. thank you. next item, please. >> board of appeals last night had a pretty lengthy hearing, a couple items that might be of interest to the commission would be a rehearing request for a letter of d
specifically the departments are asked to report on the rationale for using this revenue for uses other than satisfying the transportation related needs on and around octavia boulevard as well as resolutions for meeting both the area's significant transit needs as well as affordable houseving needs. another hearing request by supervisor scott wiener and david chiu was introduced at the board requesting the mta, the department of public works, the planning department and the san francisco county...
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i know i represent district 9 and we have an alcohol special use district that has been in place for a number of years that creates restriction on what kind of business can go in there. anytime you place limitations there are unintended consequences. we are dealing with tweaking that as well, the point is that what works in one neighborhood may not necessarily work in another and whatever you come up with something that should be reflecting have what the neighborhood needs and what the community wants. what i see here is a compromise that strikes i think a good balance among the various interest with something like this i think a good deal of deferens should be given to the supervisor and the community who understand the ground to represent that district w that i -- and by the way, a couple points i know that i would expect walgreen's to continue to work with the community. this is approved to continue with the district of supervisor and it's great to see there will be 30 union jobs created and i'm sure walgreen's will make sure we have a diverse population of the work force and woul
i know i represent district 9 and we have an alcohol special use district that has been in place for a number of years that creates restriction on what kind of business can go in there. anytime you place limitations there are unintended consequences. we are dealing with tweaking that as well, the point is that what works in one neighborhood may not necessarily work in another and whatever you come up with something that should be reflecting have what the neighborhood needs and what the...
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use to the castro country club. pursuant to -- i'm sorry -- the country club with the second floor outdoor activity area. and that basically the department would still maintain the original recommendation for approval. this is for a recommendation for approval for the proposed restaurant on the ground floor. it is not a formula retail use, but rather an independent, locally-owned business. it is designed to serve residents from the neighborhood, and patrons of other businesses on castro or 18th street and it's not a destination restaurant. no. 3, it contributes to the economic vitality of the neighborhood by developing an underutilized garage floor into an active commercial storefront, while not removing any existing neighborhood serving uses no. 4 it is well-served by public transit and it should have a negligible impact on the current traffic pattern on the surrounding streets. and no. 5, it will operate between 8-10 job openings for city residents. the recommendation for approval of the legalization of the costa
use to the castro country club. pursuant to -- i'm sorry -- the country club with the second floor outdoor activity area. and that basically the department would still maintain the original recommendation for approval. this is for a recommendation for approval for the proposed restaurant on the ground floor. it is not a formula retail use, but rather an independent, locally-owned business. it is designed to serve residents from the neighborhood, and patrons of other businesses on castro or 18th...
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detailed budget to look at in materials of line items, and i don't know if you've seen those, but we used to have them that were pages long and it was rather interesting to see by line item what the expenditures were for staff and other things. >> are you referring to the work program with like the fte counts? >> yes. >> and i think that addresses commissioner moore's question also, in two weeks, your memo will have that level of detail where it shows the proposed fte count widths the initiatives, if you want the actual dollar amounts, i can provide you with what you need. >> commissioner moore? >> i would like to add a comment that in the past year, since this is not our standard everyday literature, just reading it, it is more difficult to understand and then having to vote on it after you make a presentation sometimes raises more questions than answers so i'm wondering if we could spread that with the presentation and then vote in on it a week later or something like that. i always feel a little bit overwhelmed because it's so hard to understand. >> if i may, today is just an informati
detailed budget to look at in materials of line items, and i don't know if you've seen those, but we used to have them that were pages long and it was rather interesting to see by line item what the expenditures were for staff and other things. >> are you referring to the work program with like the fte counts? >> yes. >> and i think that addresses commissioner moore's question also, in two weeks, your memo will have that level of detail where it shows the proposed fte count...
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at&t park, wonderful asset for us. they also built a new football stadium a few hundred yards or maybe 1000 yards or so away from camden yard at the end of train yards a great benefit for the city of baltimore. i commend them for their vision in this issue and i'm happy for them even though i am very sad for us having lost the game. i have to acknowledge some of the leadership and some good choices that were made fast that set the tone for stadiums being within the middle of cities. >>: commissioner moore, now you know. >> commissioner moore: there must be baltimore leaings seeing city attorney -- high at commissioner wu also wearing purple. speaking about potential redesigns of the lower floors of the trans-bay tower, i also heard that -- might be looking for a building we approved on the corner of mission and beale i think. mission freemont. any of those streets. if there are updates as they pertain to changes in buildings i think the commission would be very interested to get a general update from you on those matte
at&t park, wonderful asset for us. they also built a new football stadium a few hundred yards or maybe 1000 yards or so away from camden yard at the end of train yards a great benefit for the city of baltimore. i commend them for their vision in this issue and i'm happy for them even though i am very sad for us having lost the game. i have to acknowledge some of the leadership and some good choices that were made fast that set the tone for stadiums being within the middle of cities....
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i do not think we're using the same definition that marin uses. we're using -- we're talking about 100% renewable in both the dark green and the light green option. correct? it's just the rec mix that will differentiate the light versus the dark. * >> so, correct. what we've presented were a series of 100% renewable portfolio. >> correct. >> and i think folks fell into the language of how do you describe the sort of premiumness of the green products that makeup that 100%. in order to express the differentiation between a heavily bucket 3 100% renewable program versus a less, a 5% bucket 3 versus an 85% bucket 3. >> which is different from marin, correct? >> very different from marin. >> i agree with the public commenters who said the definition of light and dark green is different than how it's being used here today. >> i don't know if we need different language or what we need to do, but i think that's important to clarify. * >> we need different language. >> yes. >> so whatever it means, whatever our options are that we're talking about so there
i do not think we're using the same definition that marin uses. we're using -- we're talking about 100% renewable in both the dark green and the light green option. correct? it's just the rec mix that will differentiate the light versus the dark. * >> so, correct. what we've presented were a series of 100% renewable portfolio. >> correct. >> and i think folks fell into the language of how do you describe the sort of premiumness of the green products that makeup that 100%. in...
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it is not the extraction site as an interim use. i support contemplation of planning and considering various locations for the extension of the subway, something we have talked about many years ago. my commissioner here is saying we are having [speaker not understood] discussion is very possible. [speaker not understood] i saw commissioner hillis making it sound as if we are circular. that's very possible. the concern with everything justin said today has not been alleviated and i unfortunately as much as i would like to be supportive of the transportation part cannot support what is in front of us. >> commissioners, there is a motion and a second to adopt the request for zoning text amendment and height reclassification for 1731 powell street. commissioner antonini? >> aye. >> commissioner borden? >> aye. >> commissioner hillis? >> aye. >> commissioner moore? >> no. >> commissioner sugaya? >> no. i just have to note also that when i said i didn't have any plan -- we didn't have any plan, i don't have any plans. so, commissioner moo
it is not the extraction site as an interim use. i support contemplation of planning and considering various locations for the extension of the subway, something we have talked about many years ago. my commissioner here is saying we are having [speaker not understood] discussion is very possible. [speaker not understood] i saw commissioner hillis making it sound as if we are circular. that's very possible. the concern with everything justin said today has not been alleviated and i unfortunately...
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, retail sales, financial service with a conditional use and medical service. >> so restaurant-type use? >> a restaurant would not be allowed on the second level in the castro neighborhood commercial district, no. >> do you want to respond? do you use this space outside now at 10:00 at night? would it be a hardship? >> currently our hours are until 11:00 monday through thursday, until midnight friday and saturdays and 10:00 on sundays, but any noise that we have out back is negligible compared to the noise of the back patio of the mixed bar, which is three doors down, which is like being at a dance party. >> do you use the back patio now at all hours that you are open? >> very minimally. >> so i'm all right with that. >> thank you. >> commissioner moore. >> mr. sanchez, how many people are allowed to gather on the deck based on structural? >> i do not have the expertise to answer that. it's a building code requirement and perhaps the architect could answer what the load is? >> people quietly conversing is one thing, but with 20 people hollering, that is a different thing. i don't know t
, retail sales, financial service with a conditional use and medical service. >> so restaurant-type use? >> a restaurant would not be allowed on the second level in the castro neighborhood commercial district, no. >> do you want to respond? do you use this space outside now at 10:00 at night? would it be a hardship? >> currently our hours are until 11:00 monday through thursday, until midnight friday and saturdays and 10:00 on sundays, but any noise that we have out back...
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all these things are used. we are talking about the two percent now, maybe not even that high. >> commissioner borden: in terms of inspections, you do a sound inspection. is that done in conjunction % like a friday night or saturday night and surprise people know you are coming. obviously if you know the inspector is coming you will turn your music down. if you don't know the inspector is coming you would not necessarily do so. >>: that's a very good question. there are several kinds of inspections that we do. we do a sound section or site inspection. we set an appointment with the applicant; we going, it is a formal test. it would do an inspection based on complaint we do not let them know we're coming obviously we would derail why we were there. that is a surprise inspection, a field inspection. anytime during operating hours we have the ability and right to show up. that is predominantly for a complaint. anyone who has been permitted by us would like to do a follow-up; maybe several months after they have be
all these things are used. we are talking about the two percent now, maybe not even that high. >> commissioner borden: in terms of inspections, you do a sound inspection. is that done in conjunction % like a friday night or saturday night and surprise people know you are coming. obviously if you know the inspector is coming you will turn your music down. if you don't know the inspector is coming you would not necessarily do so. >>: that's a very good question. there are several...
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these big institutions use return on cost parameters; napf uses a 6% return. even with this approval we are down to 5.8% which is risky for a construction project. we have to go back to napf to get approval under the new construction budget. we got approval on monday night after putting four million dollars of cash in the deal. please convey to them that the 12 percent requirement was a key component in both equity and debt financing for the project. we have formal approval from nabf that they will go to the next step. if this does not get approved, this will stay as an office building is what i think will happen. this is the latest cac analysis of offices. (off mic) we budgeted $29 a foot. if you look south of market overview, the current market for that space is $42.30. that is a 46% increase in rents. we are a unique building. it is a legal office building they could turn. around and lease that -- an annual increase
these big institutions use return on cost parameters; napf uses a 6% return. even with this approval we are down to 5.8% which is risky for a construction project. we have to go back to napf to get approval under the new construction budget. we got approval on monday night after putting four million dollars of cash in the deal. please convey to them that the 12 percent requirement was a key component in both equity and debt financing for the project. we have formal approval from nabf that they...
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these big institutions use return on cost parameters; napf uses a 6% return. even with this approval we are down to 5.8% which is risky for a construction project. we have to go back to napf to get approval under the new construction budget. we got approval on monday night after putting four million dollars of cash in the deal. please convey to them that the 12 percent requirement was a key component in both equity and debt
these big institutions use return on cost parameters; napf uses a 6% return. even with this approval we are down to 5.8% which is risky for a construction project. we have to go back to napf to get approval under the new construction budget. we got approval on monday night after putting four million dollars of cash in the deal. please convey to them that the 12 percent requirement was a key component in both equity and debt
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not to say that we would not have used the concourse, but that could be a place that we could use it in the future, it is unfortunate that was a place to know if they were selecting that site this year or last year and this could be the final year and it is regrettable. it is a very large, kind of warehouse spait and it is not worth preserving but it is one of those spaces of the type and size in the city. but it is primarily used for a lot of big events because there are not a lot of big spaces for those sort of events. it is regrettable and it is not this project sponsor's fault for the concourse not letting people snow but what is regrettable. i am in support of property ject as well. i don't know if where you are in your talks are being bought out i actually got a text while you guys were asking me questions. we are going to build it as we designed it. >> great. >> so everybody can. >> so they are watching and they are paying attention. that is good. i mean for the future reference, and i don't know how they have in the pipeline in the immediate future, but if i were the buyers i
not to say that we would not have used the concourse, but that could be a place that we could use it in the future, it is unfortunate that was a place to know if they were selecting that site this year or last year and this could be the final year and it is regrettable. it is a very large, kind of warehouse spait and it is not worth preserving but it is one of those spaces of the type and size in the city. but it is primarily used for a lot of big events because there are not a lot of big...
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they just asked us to increase it. >> okay. >> all right. >> i had one other thing. never... >> to support commissioner moore, this is a two-year cycle. but each year we have to do another two years. >> that is right. >> if we find ourselves behind the eight ball on the commission side, and in the secretary whoever gets higher and does the staff that are there, under this particular scenario find themselves inundated with the kind of things that they would have to respond to either in the commission's work or the public records request or whatever happens and we have the ability then to take a look at it a year from now. >> that is right, but we also, would i argue that we could look at it before then just to reassign the staff if we really need to wait for the budget to do that. >> okay >> just to remind you that we also have changed one of your three positions to be a higher level professional level position as well. so, that, we think would also help in that capacity. >> commissioners, there is a motion and a second to approve your budget. commissioner antonini? >
they just asked us to increase it. >> okay. >> all right. >> i had one other thing. never... >> to support commissioner moore, this is a two-year cycle. but each year we have to do another two years. >> that is right. >> if we find ourselves behind the eight ball on the commission side, and in the secretary whoever gets higher and does the staff that are there, under this particular scenario find themselves inundated with the kind of things that they would...
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the use of the colors, it's a little darker, make things all pale, white, it all looks the same. then again, you can get some colors that look a little too crazy. but, you know, i think that's a part of it. and i mentioned the rounding of corners to try to cut the angularity and might tend to make the buildings a little more attractive. because there are -- you know, it's sort of always going to be a quasi-suburban -- i don't like the term because of the nature of mission bay. it's just going to be different than densely packed city blocks in the financial district or in even the area south of market which are longer blocks, but they're still pretty densely packed with previous industrial buildings. and it's going to have more of a separation. it's going to have more parking. it's going to have a lot of things that are, you know, but i think there are some very successful suburban parks and some that aren't very successful. i mentioned to bo earlier, the hacienda park in pleasanton, if you've seen the architecture, smooth looking buildings and very well landscaped as opposed to s
the use of the colors, it's a little darker, make things all pale, white, it all looks the same. then again, you can get some colors that look a little too crazy. but, you know, i think that's a part of it. and i mentioned the rounding of corners to try to cut the angularity and might tend to make the buildings a little more attractive. because there are -- you know, it's sort of always going to be a quasi-suburban -- i don't like the term because of the nature of mission bay. it's just going...